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prior to 1990 I read I led a relatively

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normal life which is minding my own

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business teaching accounting courses

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visit our local University

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and I was a certified public accountant

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not practicing at the time but just

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teaching accounting courses had two very

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active teenage daughters happily married

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and

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activities

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never really thought about the UFO

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subject until July of 1990. I took a

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weekend's break and went up to my

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parents house for a visit and my mother

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and I were were sitting at her kitchen

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table just eating breakfast and talking

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about everyday things when my mother

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read an article in the newspaper her

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local newspaper that stated that the

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Russian government had just admitted the

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existence of UFOs

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and

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we started talking about whether

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extraterrestrials could exist and my

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mother said that she just didn't believe

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that there were any entities other than

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us and I started debating the issue and

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then I remembered that my brother and a

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friend and I saw

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uh spacecraft when we when we were all

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children

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and I asked my mother if she if she

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remembered that day and

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and I told and she said yeah I do but I

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think probably what you saw was a

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weather balloon or a satellite or

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something like that well my mother

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didn't see the object so she said well

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your brother's coming over for a visit

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in a little while I'll just ask him if

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if he remembers seeing anything that day

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well my brother soon came into the

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kitchen too and I I said to him Seth do

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you remember seeing that object that we

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thought was a flying saucer when we were

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kids and he said oh yeah how could I

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ever forget that and so I asked him what

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he remembered about that day and he

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remembered the same thing I did he

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remembered seeing an object that was

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silver in color spherical in shape

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it was sitting stationary in the sky to

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the north of us

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and it sat there for a long time in the

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in was in the afternoon the sky was blue

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white clouds and sunny day and every

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once in a while the sun would shine on

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objects such that

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it it looked bluish sometimes bluish in

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color most the time silver we watched it

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for a long time and then it looked as if

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it floated down into the woods nearby to

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out to the east

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and

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thought that we would like to see if it

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was a spaceship we called them flying

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saucers back then it was a long time ago

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but

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we went into the woods looking for the

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object and came back out very

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disappointed that we hadn't found it

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when I remembered this incident in 1990

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my brother and I commented on how

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unusual it was how strange it was that

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we never talked about it for 30 years we

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never talked about that incident yet

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looking back it seemed to be one of the

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most important days in our lives

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then I I asked my brother if he thought

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what we had seen that day really was a

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spaceship and he said yes and I said why

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do you think so and he said well I've

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seen quite a few TV shows about

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spaceships and extraterrestrials and

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seen a lot of well read a lot of books

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on the subject and he said in fact I've

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seen some talk shows wherein there are

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people

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climbed to have been abducted

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and he said in some cases they remember

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the incidents as dreams

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but then they undergo hypnotic

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regression and they just they discovered

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that the incident was real and that

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there are more details they remember

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under hypnosis that they could not

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remember consciously when he said the

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word dream

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I remembered an incident that occurred

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to me in the late 70s or early 80s I

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lived in Florence Alabama at that time

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and

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the kitchen to get a drink of water

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and remembered that during the night I

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had been aboard spacecraft how I knew it

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was a spacecraft I I don't know I didn't

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know then how I I knew that but I knew

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that I was in a round room that was

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extremely bright and I remembered chalky

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colored creatures with big huge black

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almond shaped eyes

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performing medical procedures on me I

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couldn't remember what kind of

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procedures they performed I just

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remembered that it was done

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and

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when I remembered that

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I thought well wait a minute you know

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this had to have been a dream there's no

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way in the world that entities could get

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in the house

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and there's no way that a spaceship

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could get in the neighborhood without

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all the neighbors seeing it and there's

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no way that I could have gotten

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out of the bedroom without my husband

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waking up and and discovering my being

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gone so this could not have happened it

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had to have been a dream there's no

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other logical explanation for it

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I never heard about abductions back then

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in 70s or 80s so I didn't know they

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occurred

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so

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then I said to myself though but why

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does this seem so real it didn't seem

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like a dream it seemed that I was really

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there in this round room with entities

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All Around Me performing medical exam

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why does it seem so real

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if it wasn't but then I thought again

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well no it can't be real it's impossible

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things like this just don't happen

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and then I thought well the entities

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couldn't get into the house all the

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doors and windows are locked and then I

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thought well they are locked aren't they

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you know just maybe this did happen and

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a door window wasn't a lot so I walked

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around the house and and physically

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checked all the doors and windows and

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they were indeed locked so I told myself

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that it had to have been a dream it's

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the only thing it could have been that

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things like that just couldn't happen

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and I convinced myself that it was a

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dream and was able to forget about it

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until July 1990 when my husband when my

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brother and I had this conversation at

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my parents kitchen table

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and I sat there for a few minutes trying

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to decide whether I should tell my

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brother about this dream or not

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and it finally mustered up the curry to

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do so

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I don't know why I hesitated you know if

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it had been just a dream why should I

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have hesitated to tell anyone about it

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but there there was always something

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about that that felt real

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finally I did muster of the courage to

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tell my brother about the dream and and

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as I told him about it

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I noticed that my mother was turning

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white as a ghost and the more I spoke

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The Wider she turned and had a shock

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expression on her face and my brothers I

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felt caught up and he kind of got a

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crooked smile on his face

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um

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finally I said to them why why are you

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two looking at me like that do you think

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I've gone crazy what what does this

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expression mean

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my mother didn't answer and my brother

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finally said well you know we read

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communion and what you're describing

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here is just like what we've read and he

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said what you're describing is what I've

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heard people talk about on TV he said I

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don't think what happened to you was a

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dream it sounds real to me

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well I started thinking about that

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and

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told my brother that I had to find out

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whether the incident was real or a dream

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I had to know I just had to know my

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mother begged me to drop drop the idea

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not to pursue

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finding out whether it was a dream or

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not

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I went back home

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I lived in Mississippi at the time and

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came back home and decided that I would

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take my mother's advice that I would

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just not worry with pursuing the idea of

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whether this was real or not

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besides I was too busy to mess with it

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at the time I thought I was attending

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graduate school working on my Master's

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in Business Administration working

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full-time had two active teenagers and

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was and just started having a house

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built so I didn't have time to mess with

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nonsense like that I thought but

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all of a sudden

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the idea

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of of the of my having been abducted of

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this incident having been real

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these ideas just wouldn't go out of my

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head and to make it worse I started

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having flashbacks of seeing these chalky

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colored creatures with big black eyes

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every time I would look in the mirror to

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put on my makeup or brush my hair or

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brush my teeth I would see visions of

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these entities staring back at me and I

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couldn't get it out of my head

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and I started being afraid I thought you

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know if this happened to me if it really

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did happen to me what if it happens

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again what if they come back

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what if they're hiding in my house when

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I go to bed at night and I got scared I

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started looking under the beds and in

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the closets and all the rooms before I

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go to bed at night

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but on the other hand I would tell

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myself well you know if it did happen if

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it was real you're okay there's nothing

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wrong they didn't hurt you so my

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curiosity overweighed my fear

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and I decided that I I had to find out

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um

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I put it off for a while

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and then finally I called my brother and

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asked him if if he could give me the

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name of someone who could help me

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determine whether my so-called dream was

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actually a dream or a real event he put

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me in touch with Bud Hopkins he gave me

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bud Hopkins name and address I wrote to

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Bud and it it was several months before

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I got a response

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um in the meantime in the meantime I

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started I noticed some odd things

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started happening to me I started being

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followed by cars white sedans dark blue

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sedans sometimes it seemed that cars

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were following me that were of other

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colors

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and unnerved me somewhat I didn't know

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why all of a sudden I was being followed

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I noticed that I started having odd

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noises on my telephone sometimes music

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sometimes

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if a cassette tape were winding around

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in uh cassette recorder

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sometimes I would hear voices Over The

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I never had those things occur before I

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wrote

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to Bud Hopkins asking for help

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um

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discussed this possible abduction with

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anyone I discussed it with a couple of

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other people in addition to riding Bud

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Hopkins a letter

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um another thing that happened to me

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that I thought was very odd is I came

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home from work one day and and

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discovered that the locks on the

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exterior doors were loose

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that upset me somewhat and I couldn't

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understand why these things started

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happening all of a sudden when I decided

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to examine the possibility of my

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so-called dream being a real event

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another odd thing that happened was in

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October of 1990

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I had I woke up one morning above my bed

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not in it

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and I

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[Music]

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I felt that I was awake that it was

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really something that happened

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that

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it wasn't a dream but I I had no

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explanation for it I I also remember

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being in a beam of light I was lying

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horizontally in a in a beam of light

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but after it happened I thought I

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thought this is weird something's wrong

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with me I'm going crazy things like this

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just can't happen not too long after

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that I got some information from Bud

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Hopkins

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um there there was one article that or

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one

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that talked about the pros and cons of

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hypnotic regression to examine whether a

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person has had alien abductions or not

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and then there was an another little

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bulletin that he sent that seemed to be

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a series of Articles written by

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researchers I tossed that one aside and

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didn't read it immediately and

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uh it was a couple of months later that

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I finally read it and when I did read it

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I noticed an article in there about an

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abductee an alien abductee

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lying above her bed

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and dropping down

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onto onto her waterbed and when I read

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that I just about went berserk because I

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thought gosh this woman is an alien

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abductee and she's had an encounter like

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experience I remembered a couple of

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months ago and that was a straw that

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broke the camel's back when I read that

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article and realized that somebody

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besides myself was hovering above the

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bed I had to at that point in front in

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time find out whether I had actually

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been abducted by aliens or not

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so

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um I noticed at the top of the

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information Bud Hopkins sent me there

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was a name address and phone number of a

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researcher that bud Hopkins told me to

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get in touch with in his note and

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the man's name was John Carpenter he he

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is now the director of abduction

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research for the mutual UFO Network and

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I I called him

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and

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told him what I've I've just said told

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him everything that had happened to me

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that I remembered and asked him if he

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could help me find out whether or not I

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this incident I recalled was a dream or

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whether it was a real event or whether I

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was just going crazy when I found out he

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was a psychotherapist

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that convinced me that that I should go

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see him I really thought that perhaps I

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I had gone insane that I was having all

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these weird flashbacks of alien

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creatures and

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and I thought maybe

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maybe I'm just paranoid about people

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following me so I thought maybe I was

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crazy whatever the answer was I wanted

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to find out whether my incident I recall

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was a dream or whether it was a real

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event or whether I was going crazy I

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wanted to know so I could deal with the

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problem

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as it needed to be dealt with

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so

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um

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so I made an appointment with John

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Carpenter to uh to go to him for

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hypnotic regression set up an

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appointment the the first one in March

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1991.

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my brother rode to Missouri with me rode

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to Springfield Missouri with me

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and I

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on my first visit to Springfield

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Missouri had two hypnosis sessions

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in the first session

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I examined the memory of the childhood

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siding where my brother and I saw the

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UFO and we went looking for it in the

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woods

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well under regression I remembered

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that as soon as we got into the woods we

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split up

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and I remembered that I went off to the

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right and I was walking through the

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woods looking for this Flying Saucer

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that we thought had landed there but I

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didn't find the Flying Saucer what I saw

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was a chalky colored creature standing

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in front of a of a big tree

402
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and I remembered in the hypnosis session

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being frightened when I saw him

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and I remembered that with his big black

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eyes he talked to me and told me not to

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be afraid

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and I remembered he took me by the hand

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and

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there's a lapse in memory at that point

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the next thing I remembered was being in

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a different part of the woods and in a

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clearing I could see the spaceship this

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spherical spaceship just hovering

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above the ground and I remembered that a

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beam of white light

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just came down upon the entity

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and and me being this somehow aboard the

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craft I remember being in the light and

419
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the next memory you have as being aboard

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the craft lying on a platform with other

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entities the same height same shape

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um

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they looked identical to the one I saw

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in the woods they were standing around

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me poking my arms and legs

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and then the next thing I remembered

427
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about that incident was being back at

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the edge of the woods joining the others

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and I'll walk and we all walked out of

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the woods disappointed we hadn't seen

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anything

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I didn't remember

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seeing anything

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uh in the second in the second hypnosis

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session

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We examined what I called a dream that

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happened when I was an adult of being in

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a round room having medical exams

439
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performed on me

440
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we explored that

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and I remembered additional details

442
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:21,539
about that incident

443
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under regression I remembered that I

444
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walked out of the house myself something

445
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:29,940
compelled me to walk out the door and

446
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around into the backyard

447
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and in the backyard I saw the spherical

448
00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:36,960
object hovering in the air and again

449
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I'll be my white light took me aboard

450
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and

451
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I I lay on a platform while identical

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looking creatures perform gynological

453
00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:56,520
type procedures on me I remembered that

454
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um

455
00:19:03,169 --> 00:19:00,419
some tissue samples were taken from the

456
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vaginal area I remembered that a needle

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was inserted through the abdominal

458
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abdominal wall into the ovary and

459
00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:10,559
overextracted

460
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and I remembered that there was one

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00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:16,620
entity on the other side of the room who

462
00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:19,679
was doing something with what was very

463
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um

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I don't remember a whole lot

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00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:30,419
other than oh yeah I remembered I

466
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:32,820
remembered something being done to my

467
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:36,840
right ear I felt what seemed to be a

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piercing sensation and pain in two

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places right behind my ear and deep

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00:19:46,130 --> 00:19:43,679
inside my ear

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and I believe that's all I I could

472
00:19:51,169 --> 00:19:49,200
recall even under regression about the

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first incident

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well when I came out of hypnosis

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I deny being hypnotized

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at that point in time I wanted John

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Carpenter to tell me I was crazy I felt

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that it would be easier to to feel that

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I was insane easier

480
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to believe that I was mentally ill so I

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could just be put into a mental

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institution get proper treatment get

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well and have all of this abduction

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um

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this feeling of abductions out of my

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mind I I wanted somebody to tell me I

487
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was crazy and help me get well so I

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wouldn't see these chalky colored

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creatures when I looked in the mirror

490
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anymore

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so I wouldn't feel that I was being

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followed and being watched all the time

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but John Carpenter didn't cooperate with

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me

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he said uh

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no I'm I think that you're suffering

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from post-traumatic stress disorder

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because you've had some traumatic things

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very traumatic things happen to you

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but you're not crazy

501
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I denied being hypnotized I said well

502
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you know maybe this

503
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maybe I wasn't hypnotized maybe what I

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remembered didn't really happen and I

505
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imagined it so I wasn't hypnotized but

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my brother said

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it was obvious that that you were was

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quite obvious I could I could see the

509
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:27,780
pain you were going through I I could

510
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tell that you were reliving things by

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the Expressions on your faces I mean on

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your face so

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um Don and my brother tried hard to

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convince me that what I remembered was

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real but I didn't want to accept it I I

516
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wanted to deny that these things could

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happen because they didn't fit in with

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my reality

519
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you know I didn't learn about

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ETS or

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or

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00:22:02,270 --> 00:21:59,700
any other kind of entity

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in my church in my school

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or or anywhere else so

525
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I I didn't know how to fit the reality

526
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of these things happening into my life

527
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anyway for a solid week I was in shock

528
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and going through denial and was so

529
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confused

530
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and

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at the same time I I kept thinking to

532
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myself well if these incidents did

533
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,059
happen I want them to happen again I

534
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:38,159
want these entities to come back because

535
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I want to learn about them I want to

536
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know where they're from I want to know

537
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if they're like us I want to know why

538
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they did what they did I want answers

539
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:50,580
and I want them right now so so despite

540
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the fact that I'm a little bit afraid I

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want them to come back so I can find out

542
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,059
what's going on if this really is

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occurring

544
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well I had the Leisure of going through

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this turmoil for for several days but

546
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[Music]

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um

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the first day back at work

549
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I see I was able to I was on spring

550
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break week spring break when I went to

551
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John for my first hypnosis sessions and

552
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so got back home on a Tuesday and for

553
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the remainder of the week

554
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I walked around in shock but on Monday

555
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morning I had to go back to work

556
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and I managed to get through the morning

557
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okay

558
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but then at lunchtime

559
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and everybody left the building where I

560
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worked I taught at a university and at

561
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lunchtime the whole building

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shut down we had no classes from noon

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until one o'clock in the building where

564
00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:48,240
I worked and everybody left for lunch

565
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,280
and I did the same thing

566
00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:53,760
and um I ran through a drive through and

567
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,799
got a cheeseburger came back to work and

568
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:57,780
decided I would grade papers while

569
00:24:02,510 --> 00:23:59,940
everyone else was gone

570
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:02,520
and then I could get a lot done but as

571
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:04,260
soon as I got my cheeseburger came back

572
00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:05,460
into the building

573
00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:07,559
something compelled me to go to my car

574
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:09,960
and get a letter that I had left in

575
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:10,740
there

576
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,679
and so I walked outside

577
00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:15,720
I noticed that there was a man sniffing

578
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,299
around my car

579
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:20,220
I got a real good look at him he had on

580
00:24:24,529 --> 00:24:22,440
a long sleeve blue Oxford cloth shirt

581
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:24,539
and gray slacks

582
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,960
he wore glasses he had on a tie and he

583
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:29,760
was messing around my car and I stood

584
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,080
there for a few minutes and thought

585
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:33,120
what's this guy doing is he about to

586
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:34,440
steal my car

587
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:36,600
and I don't know what a car thief looks

588
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,480
like but but my mind said well he's not

589
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:41,520
a car thief he's dressed too nicely to

590
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:43,020
be a Carthage

591
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,400
and what is it that he's doing well in a

592
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,400
few seconds he caught sight of me and he

593
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:52,080
looked at me and then he walked around

594
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:55,380
my car and started looking as if he was

595
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:57,900
poking around in the grass

596
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,120
and I thought okay now what do I do do I

597
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:02,640
go to my car and and get this letter out

598
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:05,400
or do I go back inside the building and

599
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:08,100
call security what do I do well what I

600
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:09,900
did was just walk onto the car and kept

601
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,580
my eyes on him the whole time and he was

602
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:13,440
looking at it at me out of the corner of

603
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,700
his eye

604
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,159
then the entire time I was walking to my

605
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,740
car and finally I got there unlocked the

606
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,480
door and jumped inside and locked it

607
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,820
real quickly and he and I were playing

608
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,679
this cat Mouse game I'd watch him he'd

609
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:28,559
watch me and

610
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:29,940
um

611
00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:32,520
and he he acted as he as if he were

612
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,100
poking around in the Grass at something

613
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:36,480
and and then I noticed there was a truck

614
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,940
parked in front of my car and I looked

615
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:41,039
at it and thought ah that truck must

616
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:42,900
belong to that man so I started

617
00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:45,419
memorizing the license plate and as soon

618
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:48,059
as I did that man just ran as fast as he

619
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,100
could move jumped in his truck through

620
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:52,980
this little tool in the back of it and

621
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:55,740
sped off but I'd already memorized the

622
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:58,799
license plate number I was able to trace

623
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:02,400
it and and got the name and address of

624
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,140
the man who was snooping around my car

625
00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:06,720
and it took me a couple of months but I

626
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:09,240
eventually was able to pull some strings

627
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,659
and find out who the man is and where he

628
00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:15,179
works and he works for a company that

629
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,059
does contract work for NASA and the

630
00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:21,840
company he works for is responsible for

631
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:24,779
calibrating the equipment related to the

632
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:27,360
space shuttle's external tanks

633
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:28,919
and

634
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:32,100
in the meantime before I got that

635
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,020
information there were some other

636
00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:36,960
strange things that happened to me I

637
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:39,419
moved into my new house that I had built

638
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:40,919
and

639
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:45,720
found that story or the exterior doors

640
00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:49,320
had been loosened in my new home

641
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:51,779
we had an elaborate security system put

642
00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:54,299
into the house and

643
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:55,100
um

644
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,500
it kept malfunctioning and the security

645
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,020
people came out practically daily for a

646
00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:02,640
couple of months and were extremely

647
00:27:06,649 --> 00:27:04,260
exasperated because they couldn't figure

648
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,659
out why the memory in my security system

649
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:08,760
was being erased

650
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,700
and also my husband came home from work

651
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,919
one day and told me that the FBI was

652
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:15,840
snooping around the hospital where he

653
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:18,659
worked asking questions about him

654
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:19,380
um

655
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,779
one of the employees told him about it

656
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:23,880
so

657
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,279
I started thinking about this I thought

658
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:29,340
okay now while the sudden is the FBI

659
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:33,059
interested in my husband and why did

660
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:35,700
this man who works for a company that

661
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:38,940
does subcontract work around my car just

662
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,860
all of a sudden right after I have had

663
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:43,279
hypnosis sessions about

664
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,679
abductions by extraterrestrials well I

665
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:49,440
started thinking okay you know this

666
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:52,260
phenomenon must be real I must have been

667
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:54,840
abducted because I can't see any other

668
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:56,760
reason why these other strange things

669
00:28:02,510 --> 00:27:59,400
would be happening and I must not be

670
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:02,520
insane uh the FBI wouldn't be interested

671
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:05,640
in mine sanity the man who worked for a

672
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,620
company that does contract work for NASA

673
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:09,480
would not be interested in my insanity

674
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,179
but would they possibly be interested in

675
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:14,240
my contact with with

676
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,020
extraterrestrials or whatever beings

677
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:19,080
these are yes that made sense that made

678
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:21,480
sense that's the point in time where I

679
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,659
started accepting the reality of my

680
00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:26,100
encounters

681
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:33,110
that helped confirm the reality of my

682
00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:35,400
experiences was an invitation to view

683
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,400
the Space Shuttle Endeavor

684
00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:39,840
one night I was teaching an accounting

685
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:42,260
course at the local Air Force Base

686
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:44,460
the University where I taught had a

687
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,760
contract to teach x amount of courses at

688
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:49,500
the Air Force Base and I was teaching

689
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:51,260
one of the accounting courses out there

690
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:54,840
and the last night

691
00:29:02,450 --> 00:28:58,679
of lectures the the week before final

692
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,460
exams I was given the lecture in

693
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:06,000
accounting and at the end of the night

694
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,980
when all the students were leaving one

695
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,020
of my adult female students approached

696
00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:12,480
my desk and and said

697
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:16,220
handed me something and she said to me

698
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:21,000
my husband said to give this to you and

699
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,940
I looked at what she gave me and it

700
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,740
looked like some kind of a patch and I

701
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:28,080
said what is this

702
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:31,140
and she said it's a patch of the Space

703
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:32,580
Shuttle Endeavor

704
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:35,220
and I said

705
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,360
okay why did your husband send this to

706
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,220
me and she said

707
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,380
I don't know he just told me to give it

708
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,020
to you well and I started driving home

709
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:48,000
and I thought what does this mean this

710
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:51,480
is a message of some kind and why why is

711
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,659
This Woman's husband who I later Learned

712
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:56,640
was a captain in the Air Force why why

713
00:30:02,090 --> 00:29:59,700
was he sending me a patch of the Space

714
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:02,100
Shuttle Endeavor so when I got home that

715
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:02,940
night

716
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:05,580
I looked up the phone number of of this

717
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,760
woman and I called her husband and said

718
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,799
thank you for sending me the patch of

719
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,960
the Space Shuttle Endeavor but I'm

720
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:15,360
rather curious why did you do it

721
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,419
and he said to me well my wife has

722
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,360
enjoyed your accounting class so much I

723
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:23,340
just wanted to give you a token of our

724
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:25,980
of our appreciation and I was thinking

725
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,020
in my head uh-huh this is a bunch of

726
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:30,899
garbage this woman does not

727
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:33,179
like my accounting course that much you

728
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,779
know this doesn't make sense but he went

729
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:39,000
on to say that

730
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,460
to further show their appreciation he

731
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:43,140
would like to take me to see the space

732
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,020
shuttle and Endeavor when it arrived on

733
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:47,520
Basin next time

734
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,700
and and the whole time I talked with him

735
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:52,559
I thought what's going on here I don't

736
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:55,500
understand this this sounds very strange

737
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:58,020
why would an accounting instructor get a

738
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:59,580
special invitation to view the space

739
00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:01,559
shuttle and

740
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,700
I hung up thanking him again and then

741
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:07,200
told him that

742
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:11,279
I I appreciate his invitation and

743
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:13,320
I when I hung up I hoped I would never

744
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,779
hear from him again however the next

745
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:18,240
week he called the night before I was to

746
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:20,460
give a final exam out on base and he

747
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:21,720
said the Space Shuttle Endeavor is going

748
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:23,159
to be on base tomorrow I'd like to take

749
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,460
you to see it and he said now don't tell

750
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,320
anyone that this invitation is being

751
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:30,600
extended to you don't tell anyone you're

752
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,220
going out there this invitation is for

753
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,380
you alone and make sure you bring your

754
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:36,720
camera on make sure that you get some

755
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:38,760
excellent pictures of this shuttle

756
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:41,760
well I thought that this was a setup and

757
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:49,010
I was too scared to go out there so the

758
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,240
next and I made up some excuses I told

759
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,580
him well actually I told him the truth I

760
00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:55,500
was tied up giving final exams the next

761
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,179
day I didn't have time to go look at it

762
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,340
but even if I'd had time I wouldn't have

763
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:01,799
gone I was too frightened so anyway he

764
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:03,539
went out to the base the next night and

765
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,260
I just had a weird feeling that that

766
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,600
something was wrong and I was afraid to

767
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,640
go on base so I didn't drive my own car

768
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:13,140
I hitched to ride with one of my

769
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:14,100
students

770
00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:15,160
and

771
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:16,940
[Music]

772
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:19,919
went in to teach my well to get my final

773
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,779
exam and while I was sitting there

774
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,000
giving the final exam at one point in

775
00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:26,159
time I looked up and saw through the

776
00:32:29,389 --> 00:32:27,779
door in the back of the room a man in an

777
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:29,399
Air Force flew uniform

778
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:31,380
and he motioned for me to come out into

779
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:32,340
the Hall

780
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,179
and I did and I looked at his name name

781
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:38,880
badge and noticed that this was the name

782
00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:40,919
of the man who had called me to invite

783
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:43,080
me to go out and view the shuttle so

784
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,940
when I walked out into the hall and saw

785
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:47,279
his name he didn't even greet me he said

786
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:49,980
to me let's go let's go right now and I

787
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:52,020
said go where he said you know to see

788
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,700
the space shuttle I told you I'd take

789
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:55,260
you to see the space shuttle let's go

790
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:58,620
and I said I can't leave my students

791
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,419
here they're taking a final exam he said

792
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:02,220
oh they won't care besides this will

793
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,899
only take about 20 minutes

794
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,120
and I explained to him that I couldn't

795
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:07,679
leave my students that I had an

796
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:09,299
obligation to stay with them while they

797
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:11,340
were taking the exam we argued with me

798
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,500
he kept trying to tell me that there was

799
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:14,880
nothing wrong with my leaving my

800
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,299
students and how he really wanted me to

801
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:20,159
see the Endeavor and how it wouldn't

802
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,779
take very long

803
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,720
and I could tell that he was agitated he

804
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,880
kept wringing his hands and shifting

805
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:29,039
from one side to the other and I could

806
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,779
tell that he was extremely upset that I

807
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:32,340
wouldn't go with him to see the shuttle

808
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,000
but I didn't nevertheless and

809
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:36,480
[Music]

810
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,200
um

811
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,559
I went back home got off the base okay

812
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,659
the next day though there was an article

813
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:44,880
in our local newspaper

814
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,580
that said that

815
00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:49,799
armed guards were stationed around the

816
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:51,960
shuttle with authorization to use deadly

817
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:53,100
force

818
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,720
and I I'm earnestly believe that

819
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:00,480
that deadly force was meant for me that

820
00:34:03,889 --> 00:34:02,100
I was supposed to have gone out to the

821
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,899
shuttle I was supposed to have gotten

822
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:06,240
extremely close to it I was supposed to

823
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:07,799
have taken pictures and I was supposed

824
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:17,329
my curiosity far outweighed my fear and

825
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,700
I continued with my hypnosis sessions

826
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,280
and I continued

827
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:25,619
seeking out the answers to the questions

828
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:27,899
of this phenomenon

829
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:30,179
and as a result I met many other

830
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:33,179
abductees I've met a whole lot of other

831
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:34,500
researchers

832
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,099
and many of them have asked me you know

833
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:40,560
why why do you feel that you've

834
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,320
undergone harassment why do you feel

835
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,940
that the military and government have

836
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,000
have singled you out like this a lot of

837
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,919
researchers and abductees say that they

838
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,599
have not encountered military government

839
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,879
harassment in in their cases or in other

840
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:54,960
cases

841
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,240
so why have I

842
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,740
well

843
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:01,680
one possible explanation is that I was

844
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:05,820
involved in a crash of a spaceship I

845
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,060
remember being aboard a craft and a

846
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,520
board of spaceship and I remember

847
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:14,400
looking out the porthole onto the the

848
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:17,940
ocean below I don't I'm not 100 positive

849
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:20,280
where this took place but I have an idea

850
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:23,460
anyway I was looking out of the porthole

851
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:26,280
and I saw a military ship on the ocean

852
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,160
below and while I was looking at it I

853
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,720
felt a jolt

854
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:33,359
and I remember falling backwards and

855
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:35,820
hitting my head on something

856
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:39,060
and the next thing I recall was was

857
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:43,980
waking up and walking out and opening

858
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:48,359
um of The Craft onto Beach Sandy area

859
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:50,700
and I remember hearing airplanes and

860
00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:54,180
helicopters overhead and I remembered

861
00:36:03,290 --> 00:35:59,220
seeing a man with a a

862
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:03,300
an alien creature over his shoulder

863
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,900
I remembered seeing a Lifeboat approach

864
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:08,160
the shore

865
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:11,780
and two men motioned for me to come

866
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:15,540
aboard that own Lifeboat before that

867
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:16,980
happened

868
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:18,660
I remembered

869
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,780
when I walked out onto the beach

870
00:36:26,109 --> 00:36:23,940
toward the water remember somebody

871
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,119
yelling at me to stay where I was

872
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:28,560
somebody said stay right there don't

873
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,119
move

874
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:32,700
the Seance sounded Amplified to me I

875
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,859
don't know now if it was because my head

876
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,440
was hurting so bad feeling as if it were

877
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,320
going to explode or if there was some

878
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:42,720
kind of megaphone or something like that

879
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,690
um I remember getting into the live boat

880
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:50,880
not struggling but but going with two

881
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:52,260
men in the Lifeboat out to the big

882
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,619
military ship and

883
00:37:02,810 --> 00:36:58,320
I remember hearing helicopters overhead

884
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,820
as I was going out onto the ocean and

885
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,400
once I climbed up into the ship climbed

886
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,220
up a ladder onto the ship and once I got

887
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:10,980
on the deck or I remember a man in

888
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:14,579
uniform helping me onto the deck and

889
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:18,780
once I got up there I saw one alien

890
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:21,780
still alive lying on the deck of the

891
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,540
ship I don't know whether this is the

892
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:27,000
same alien that I saw earlier on the

893
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:28,320
beach or not

894
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,300
but there are several aliens that are

895
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:32,520
unaccounted for in my mind I don't know

896
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,440
what happened to them I know that there

897
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:36,119
were at least four aliens aboard the

898
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:40,680
craft with me and I saw one or two after

899
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:42,060
the crash and I don't know what happened

900
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,760
to the others

901
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,700
[Music]

902
00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:45,839
um

903
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:47,480
I remember

904
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,040
wanting to help this entity that was

905
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,040
still alive and two men grabbed me and

906
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,160
and took me down some stairs onto a

907
00:38:01,310 --> 00:37:58,320
lower deck of the ship

908
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,320
and the last thing I remember was

909
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,560
was sitting down on the bottom stair

910
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:07,920
and my head felt so heavy and hurt so

911
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,780
badly I felt it was going to explode and

912
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,880
I felt like I was going to pass out and

913
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:13,200
the last thing I remember was sitting

914
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,780
down on the stair and putting my head in

915
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,800
my lap

916
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:19,920
and I don't remember anything else

917
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:20,820
um

918
00:38:25,569 --> 00:38:23,700
another memory I have is of

919
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:25,579
two men

920
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:29,099
escorting me from a military plane into

921
00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:30,420
a car

922
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,420
and

923
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:35,520
taking me back to motel where I was

924
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:38,700
staying and holding me one man held me

925
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:41,160
at gunpoint while the other one went to

926
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,099
a desk to get a key to my room and I

927
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:45,599
remember

928
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:47,460
being kept out in the hallway at

929
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:50,040
gunpoint by one man while the other one

930
00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:51,960
went inside my room where my husband was

931
00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:53,660
supposed to be sleeping

932
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,579
I assume

933
00:39:02,750 --> 00:38:59,520
that that's how I got back from the

934
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:02,760
crash site although there's a big gap in

935
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:05,700
room a big gap in memory

936
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,320
in September of 1992 I decided to try to

937
00:39:14,349 --> 00:39:12,720
find the crash site where it possibly

938
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:14,359
occurred

939
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:20,280
in the Gulf Breeze area around Navarre

940
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:23,099
Beach I'm not positive I have reason to

941
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:25,140
believe that's where it took place but I

942
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:29,940
can't be sure I do know that the

943
00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:32,220
the area down there is consistent with

944
00:39:39,550 --> 00:39:35,099
what I remembered in my hypnosis session

945
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,560
anyway I decided to walk one day from

946
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:42,240
Navarre Beach to Fort Walton Beach to

947
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:44,099
see if the area did look consistent with

948
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:47,839
the crash site and it did and

949
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:51,540
that portion of beach where I walked is

950
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:54,540
right at the border of Eglin Air Force

951
00:40:00,250 --> 00:39:55,859
Base

952
00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:00,260
about halfway through my walk

953
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:02,040
I

954
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:08,730
some equipment that has since been

955
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:10,200
[Music]

956
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,880
um

957
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,680
confirmed as being electromagnetic pulse

958
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,820
device

959
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:17,040
some of the researchers who worked on my

960
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,900
case believe that this electromagnetic

961
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,119
pulse device was responsible for Downing

962
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:23,760
the craft that I was in

963
00:40:30,589 --> 00:40:27,359
when when the crash occurred

964
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:30,599
I've experienced what I consider some

965
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:32,940
extreme forms of harassment by a

966
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,140
military government officials at least I

967
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,400
believe their military and government

968
00:40:43,150 --> 00:40:41,400
officials I can't prove it

969
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:43,160
for instance

970
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:47,700
I had an encounter one night

971
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:49,980
I was abducted by the chalky colored

972
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,140
creatures and their normal medical

973
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,720
experiments were performed on me but

974
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,920
they didn't bring me all the way home

975
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:57,839
that night instead what they did was

976
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:01,320
drop me off in a field near my home

977
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:03,780
I remember being

978
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:06,420
somewhat programmed I felt as if I were

979
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,280
in some kind of a zombie State and I

980
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,619
remember thinking to myself as I was

981
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:13,200
looking up into the sky I've got to get

982
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:15,540
back home I've got to get back home

983
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,820
and while I was standing out in the

984
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:18,960
fields

985
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,060
thinking about that as if I were

986
00:41:24,849 --> 00:41:23,760
programmed a helicopter landed in front

987
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:24,859
of me

988
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,240
green fatigues and carrying big black

989
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,980
machine guns jumped out of the

990
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:34,560
helicopter and came up to me and grabbed

991
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:35,640
me

992
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:39,720
and I started yelling expletives at them

993
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:40,500
as

994
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:48,359
with them but to no avail

995
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,020
and they dragged me into the helicopter

996
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,320
and as as I approached the helicopter I

997
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,599
saw a man wearing Air Force blue uniform

998
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:00,000
he seemed to be the one in charge of the

999
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:03,000
situation I remember him telling me that

1000
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:05,220
I was a troublemaker and they were going

1001
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,320
to have to shut me up and this is about

1002
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:09,240
the point in time that I had decided I

1003
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:11,099
was going to undergo hypnotic regression

1004
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,380
to recover my my memories anyway I was

1005
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,359
taken aboard the helicopter it seemed

1006
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,640
that we flew a short distance and the

1007
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:23,280
helicopter landed near a building that

1008
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:25,619
had restricted

1009
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,480
um on the door

1010
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:30,240
and I was shoved inside

1011
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,380
and as soon as I got inside the door

1012
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:36,900
the man in the Air Force blew uniform

1013
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:39,240
said to a group of men who were

1014
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:42,420
apparently waiting for me to arrive here

1015
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,420
she is she's a cocky little [\h__\h]

1016
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:47,880
and there was a man in a khaki uniform

1017
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:50,040
standing at the opposite side of the

1018
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:53,940
room and he looked at me coldly and said

1019
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:54,839
well

1020
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:57,960
we'll just take care of that and and

1021
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:00,599
they did the next thing I remembered was

1022
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:03,420
someone giving me a shot in my right arm

1023
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,560
and I remember becoming very dizzy and

1024
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:10,020
feeling as if I were going to pass out I

1025
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,859
remember being shoved into a chair

1026
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:15,720
and

1027
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:17,780
I I remember

1028
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,420
asking the man in the khaki uniform what

1029
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:23,880
they wanted with me what I was doing

1030
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:26,220
there what they wanted

1031
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,260
and he told me quoting it's none of your

1032
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:33,720
damn business just shut up and listen

1033
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:36,300
I told him I wasn't ready to listen but

1034
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:38,339
I wanted an explanation for why I was

1035
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:39,240
there

1036
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:45,060
and I didn't get one he told me I I just

1037
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,940
remember him telling me that I had not

1038
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,980
seen a spaceship he kept telling me over

1039
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:52,140
and over again you did not see a

1040
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:54,839
spaceship do you understand you did not

1041
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:57,540
see a spaceship and I argued with him I

1042
00:44:01,490 --> 00:44:00,119
said I know I saw what are you trying to

1043
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,500
cover up

1044
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,540
and again he said it's none of your damn

1045
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:05,520
business

1046
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:06,300
um

1047
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,280
interestingly he didn't say we're not

1048
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:10,079
trying to cover up anything he just told

1049
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,180
me it was none of my business I don't

1050
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:14,000
remember much after that I remember

1051
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,700
getting very dizzy very weak putting my

1052
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,140
head down

1053
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:21,660
and I remember at one point

1054
00:44:26,109 --> 00:44:24,300
being put on a stretcher being put in

1055
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:26,119
the back of a truck

1056
00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:30,540
and I had my eyes closed and I I heard

1057
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:32,500
one man say to another

1058
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:33,780
[Music]

1059
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:39,950
how are we going to handle this

1060
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:43,380
and I heard another man reply I don't

1061
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:44,740
know this is a tough one

1062
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,500
[Music]

1063
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,359
um

1064
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:50,400
when I remembered this encounter was

1065
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,880
very upset I felt that my rights had

1066
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:55,319
been violated

1067
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:57,780
I was very upset at being drugged

1068
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:00,540
against my will being taken off to a

1069
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,720
base and questioned and then brainwashed

1070
00:45:07,630 --> 00:45:06,060
and not remembering everything that

1071
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,640
happened to me

1072
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,319
and I

1073
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,599
felt that I had a right to know what was

1074
00:45:16,569 --> 00:45:14,460
going on and yet I was given no

1075
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,579
information

1076
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:19,680
that's only one incident that I've had

1077
00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:21,240
with the parent military government

1078
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:22,859
people

1079
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,579
I remember being in what I believe to be

1080
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:29,119
a military Hospital

1081
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:32,760
again I saw men in uniform and men in

1082
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,380
white lab coats

1083
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:37,200
I recall being given shots I remember

1084
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:39,960
being strapped down I remember being

1085
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:41,940
given shock treatment

1086
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,240
and again I was told that I'm that I had

1087
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:47,520
caused these people trouble I don't know

1088
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,880
what kind of trouble I've caused so

1089
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,079
um

1090
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:55,079
I'm exasperated about not knowing what

1091
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:57,300
they're talking about they've wiped too

1092
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:04,130
I've also recalled

1093
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:06,839
these apparent military and government

1094
00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:09,240
people in this Military Hospital also

1095
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:16,330
using an x-ray to x-ray my body

1096
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:17,819
[Music]

1097
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,280
and

1098
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:22,800
I remember being in some kind of a

1099
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,780
transparent container

1100
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:26,520
I don't know what they were doing with

1101
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:30,599
me there or what was happening to me I I

1102
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:34,319
do know that my ear hurt when I was in

1103
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:36,359
this facility my right ear the one that

1104
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,040
I had recalled

1105
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:41,520
the aliens messing with earlier and I do

1106
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,900
know that

1107
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,240
after

1108
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:48,720
this encounter I no longer heard

1109
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:52,020
some Morse code type beats in my rider

1110
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:55,380
that I had been hearing previously I

1111
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,619
assume that these individuals removed

1112
00:47:02,089 --> 00:47:00,240
something from my ear that had been

1113
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,099
causing tones

1114
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:04,260
but I'm not sure I don't know for

1115
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,849
I also recalled receiving shock

1116
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:13,440
treatment when I was in a hillside

1117
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:16,740
facility with a tiny little entity about

1118
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,280
the height of knees of man and the

1119
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:22,260
Manning green fatigues

1120
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:24,180
was standing there questioning him I

1121
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,339
remember getting shock treatment then

1122
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,440
and being asked what happens when you're

1123
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:30,780
on board spacecraft

1124
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:34,079
I remembered seeing various types of

1125
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,260
entities one of one type is what I call

1126
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:39,839
chalky colored creatures these are the

1127
00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:42,680
ones who performed the

1128
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,480
experiment the medical experiments on me

1129
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:50,640
they are between four and five feet tall

1130
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:54,180
they have big black almond shaped eyes

1131
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:56,940
no whites no pupils

1132
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:57,540
um

1133
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:01,800
foreign they have four fingers I don't

1134
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,560
remember what their feet looked like

1135
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:06,660
I

1136
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:10,980
hair

1137
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:14,330
two little holes for a nose

1138
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:16,020
[Music]

1139
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,680
um

1140
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:18,960
they move so gracefully extremely

1141
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:23,579
gracefully and they talk they

1142
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:26,280
they communicate telepathically through

1143
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:28,619
the eyes

1144
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:33,060
I've also seen a creature that I call

1145
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:34,560
the reptilian

1146
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,260
I only remember I remember encountering

1147
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:40,079
that creature only one time it was a

1148
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,960
rape encounter

1149
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,880
this creature was the ugliest creature I

1150
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:47,220
could ever imagine seeing he had scaly

1151
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:50,579
skin and Long Claws

1152
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:53,339
his snake his head reminded me of the

1153
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:54,780
snake's head

1154
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,859
in in its shape he had long pointed ears

1155
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:01,200
he was probably around five and a half

1156
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:05,339
feet tall had kind of tan or brownish

1157
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,730
skin

1158
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:06,960
[Music]

1159
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:09,140
and

1160
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,560
it looked like protrusion sort of in up

1161
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:15,960
here in the chest area

1162
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:18,190
although my memory is quite vague

1163
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,859
[Music]

1164
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,599
um in that encounter I couldn't move I

1165
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:23,280
was paralyzed I didn't have any feeling

1166
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,819
and I don't remember too much

1167
00:49:32,290 --> 00:49:29,280
about that encounter other than

1168
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:32,300
than what I'm reporting now

1169
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,079
beginning in May 1991

1170
00:49:43,089 --> 00:49:39,720
I started receiving telepathic

1171
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,099
Communications from some unknown source

1172
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,359
the first time I received any

1173
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:47,760
communication of this sort

1174
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,859
was after

1175
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:52,319
one of my hypnosis sessions where I

1176
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:55,260
remembered I remembered being

1177
00:50:00,050 --> 00:49:56,760
interrogated

1178
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:00,060
in conference room on base

1179
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:02,760
and the telepathic communication I

1180
00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:04,260
received that time was in the form of

1181
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:07,880
symbols the symbols seemed to be

1182
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:10,260
religious symbols

1183
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,460
but

1184
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:13,980
I was extremely confused

1185
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:16,920
after I saw these symbols in my head it

1186
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:17,579
was

1187
00:50:25,309 --> 00:50:22,200
to describe it it's very difficult but

1188
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,319
the best way I can explain it is by

1189
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:27,960
saying if a person imagines just

1190
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:30,420
scrolling down a computer screen

1191
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:34,760
and seeing one symbol on each screen

1192
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:38,460
that's what I saw but in my head in my

1193
00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:40,740
mind nothing had ever happened to me

1194
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:42,440
like that before

1195
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:46,140
it happened after I prayed I after my

1196
00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:48,900
hypnosis session I was so upset I I

1197
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:51,540
didn't understand what was going on as

1198
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,980
far as the alien phenomenon was

1199
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,380
concerned I didn't understand why our

1200
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:56,880
military and government were trying to

1201
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:58,859
cover it up and I certainly didn't

1202
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,780
understand why I was caught in the

1203
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,119
middle it was before I remember being

1204
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:06,240
involved in a crash and so I didn't know

1205
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,280
at that point in time why I might be

1206
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:09,839
singled out by military and government

1207
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,319
officials so I was extremely upset and I

1208
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,079
was praying to God to give me answers

1209
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:19,440
to to these questions that I had

1210
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:20,819
and

1211
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:22,200
I

1212
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,960
understand what was going on you know

1213
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,240
why were these aliens interested in me

1214
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,920
why were the military and government

1215
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:34,319
officials interested in me and

1216
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:36,300
what was happening what did the

1217
00:51:41,470 --> 00:51:38,520
phenomena mean and I was begging for

1218
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,480
answers and that's when I first

1219
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,640
saws symbols scrolling through my head I

1220
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:46,680
don't understand what they mean even to

1221
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:48,300
this day I don't know what they mean but

1222
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:51,180
they did give me a source of comfort and

1223
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:53,540
I was able to go to sleep

1224
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:56,040
so some of my telepathic Communications

1225
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:57,660
have come in the form of symbols there

1226
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,260
was another time that I had a dream of

1227
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:03,599
of symbols but again I don't remember

1228
00:52:10,270 --> 00:52:06,359
what the symbols meant or why they were

1229
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:10,280
in my head I've also received verbal

1230
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:13,380
telepathic Communications although not

1231
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,680
audible I don't hear a voice I I call

1232
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:18,480
the communications the silent voice

1233
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,240
because I don't really hear anything I

1234
00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:23,839
just have instant knowledge in my head

1235
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:26,220
some of the communications of this

1236
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,220
nature I've received

1237
00:52:32,589 --> 00:52:30,000
involved

1238
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:32,599
spiritual type things

1239
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:35,640
for instance one night

1240
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:38,819
I I was asleep and something awakened me

1241
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:42,240
and I sat up in bed and then all of a

1242
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:44,520
sudden got a lot of information about

1243
00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:47,339
what this silent voice called the

1244
00:52:55,329 --> 00:52:49,940
spiritual grid of the universe

1245
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:55,339
and the message there was that

1246
00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:58,859
we we live in different eras in the era

1247
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:01,859
we live in now is about to end

1248
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:04,680
and a new era is about to begin

1249
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:07,859
and I was told that people who are in

1250
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,440
tune with this Awakening have been given

1251
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:12,480
the opportunity to go to a higher

1252
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:15,000
spiritual level if they if they want to

1253
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:18,540
I was told that everything that we do

1254
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,380
basically is because we have we choose

1255
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,440
to do so we have freedom of choice

1256
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:27,540
in in all things

1257
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,549
um if we choose to stay on the same

1258
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:36,359
spiritual level we're on now we can do

1259
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:37,740
that

1260
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:40,800
and but the way to progress from one

1261
00:53:47,089 --> 00:53:43,980
level to another is by heating our

1262
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:47,099
positive and negative or heating our

1263
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,780
positive energies rather than our

1264
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,119
negative ones so

1265
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:53,520
that's one communication that I have

1266
00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:56,700
received I've also been told

1267
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,220
specific things that would help me for

1268
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:02,400
instance I've been taught by the silent

1269
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:03,720
voice

1270
00:54:11,329 --> 00:54:06,660
not to give in to anger

1271
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:11,339
fear worry and guilt that they create my

1272
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:12,660
noise

1273
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:18,900
voice meant was that

1274
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:22,319
if we if we dwell on these negative

1275
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:24,900
characteristics

1276
00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:26,520
and then

1277
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:29,819
then our our thoughts about

1278
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:32,579
now our fears and worries you know if

1279
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:35,640
they fill our mind and

1280
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:39,059
they prevent us from doing constructive

1281
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:43,920
things so we've got to learn how to not

1282
00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:47,400
worry or be afraid or be filled with

1283
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:49,620
anger or filled with guilt

1284
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:51,480
[Music]

1285
00:54:59,630 --> 00:54:56,990
I've also been

1286
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,640
told that

1287
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:02,640
time is not linear

1288
00:55:17,569 --> 00:55:04,200
that

1289
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:17,579
contract expand overlap

1290
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,460
and that there can even be more than one

1291
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,319
Slinky in other words more than one

1292
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:24,240
dimension and these Dimensions can

1293
00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:25,380
overlap

1294
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:27,500
intertwine

1295
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:31,200
I've been told that

1296
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:33,660
there's going to be afraid of

1297
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,440
Devastation that will arrive soon

1298
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,370
um I've been told that

1299
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,490
um I need to get my body in good shape

1300
00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:52,559
exercise eat right

1301
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:55,020
I don't know why

1302
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:01,790
I was also given a telepathic message to

1303
00:56:04,570 --> 00:56:03,780
write a children's book about an

1304
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,580
abduction

1305
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:05,760
[Music]

1306
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,780
um

1307
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,420
one night about 11 30 p.m I was just

1308
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,740
brushing my teeth minding my own

1309
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:12,900
business not even thinking about the UFO

1310
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:14,220
phenomenon

1311
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:17,819
and his silent voice told me to take an

1312
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:19,619
encounter I had when I was three years

1313
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,520
old and ride it into a story in the form

1314
00:56:29,650 --> 00:56:26,160
of a children's book for preschoolers

1315
00:56:33,609 --> 00:56:29,660
so that children who are being abducted

1316
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:33,619
would not be so afraid

1317
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:36,900
I was told that this story was to be

1318
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:39,900
written to help alleviate the fear of

1319
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,660
young children who are being abducted

1320
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:44,819
so

1321
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,180
I I think all in all the telepathic

1322
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:50,400
Communications I've received have

1323
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:53,339
benefited me I don't see that they've

1324
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:56,520
harmed me in any way at least so far I

1325
00:57:01,490 --> 00:56:58,500
don't know whether

1326
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:01,500
what I'm told is true or not I don't

1327
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:03,240
know whether these men where these

1328
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:05,640
messages are coming from when I receive

1329
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:08,760
these messages I don't see anything

1330
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:11,520
so I I don't know whether or not these

1331
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,300
messages can be trusted I just feel that

1332
00:57:20,809 --> 00:57:18,000
they're important enough to discuss and

1333
00:57:23,089 --> 00:57:20,819
let whoever hears them make up his or

1334
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:23,099
her own mind about

1335
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,890
I've seen a big transformation

1336
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,240
in my personality

1337
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:38,760
since the time I started remembering my

1338
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:41,880
encounters and and the present time

1339
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,280
when I first started remembering my

1340
00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:46,020
encounters

1341
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:48,780
of course I I wanted to be diagnosed as

1342
00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:52,740
crazy at first so I could be cured and

1343
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:55,140
my memories

1344
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:56,940
um

1345
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:00,540
could just be put away

1346
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:03,480
once I realized that my abduction

1347
00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:06,059
encounters were real really happened

1348
00:58:12,190 --> 00:58:07,559
were true

1349
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:12,200
had a very difficult time coping

1350
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:16,140
at first I went through denial and shock

1351
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,619
oh I was angry too I wasn't angry that

1352
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:22,559
my abductions were occurring I was angry

1353
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:24,839
that my memory of them was being watched

1354
00:58:29,930 --> 00:58:28,500
from my mind I I was angry that entities

1355
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:29,940
would

1356
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:32,280
come come into my house during the night

1357
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:34,680
and take me away and bring me back and

1358
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:38,099
not allow me to remember it my anger

1359
00:58:45,789 --> 00:58:42,480
was was pointed at not knowing what was

1360
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,730
after I realized I was being followed by

1361
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:51,660
a parent military government people and

1362
00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:54,599
after I was taken to a base and

1363
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:57,000
interrogated and given shock treatment

1364
00:59:01,490 --> 00:58:59,460
and drugged up by these apparent

1365
00:59:04,849 --> 00:59:01,500
military and government officials again

1366
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:04,859
I was just horribly filled with anger I

1367
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,460
felt betrayed by our military and

1368
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:11,040
government I I felt that my rights had

1369
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,660
been violated

1370
00:59:16,609 --> 00:59:15,359
I felt that all my privacy had been

1371
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:16,619
Stripped Away

1372
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:19,500
I felt like a little hunting animal that

1373
00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:21,480
couldn't escape

1374
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,839
and I was filled with fear that I was

1375
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:26,880
going to be killed

1376
00:59:33,289 --> 00:59:30,599
so I had a very very difficult time

1377
00:59:33,299 --> 00:59:35,809
um

1378
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:37,970
I've had a lot of time to work through

1379
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:40,440
all these feelings

1380
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:42,599
the silent voice helped me work through

1381
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:45,000
anger and fear

1382
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:48,900
once I was told that

1383
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:52,500
that I I mustn't dwell on anger and fear

1384
00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:55,799
and worry and guilt it took a while but

1385
01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:58,859
but I I learned that the truth of those

1386
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,500
messages I learned that they didn't help

1387
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:03,480
me these negative emotions didn't help

1388
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:04,260
me

1389
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,740
when I backslide and I'll maybe have an

1390
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,480
encounter and wake up with marks on my

1391
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,880
body won't remember how I got them and

1392
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,280
that's extremely frustrating

1393
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:19,760
and recently

1394
01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:24,180
I I remember being deprogrammed by a

1395
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:25,500
parent military government officials

1396
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,160
having my memory erased and I became

1397
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:31,200
very upset with that

1398
01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:34,980
so I still face these challenges that

1399
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,319
are difficult to deal with and hard to

1400
01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:38,880
cope with

1401
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:40,200
but

1402
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:42,900
there are things that I do for myself

1403
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:46,559
that that help me cope

1404
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:47,220
um

1405
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:49,619
first thing I I have to remind myself

1406
01:00:56,589 --> 01:00:51,380
that I'm human

1407
01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:56,599
and I I just can't be cheerful and happy

1408
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:01,619
all the time so I allow myself the

1409
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:04,680
luxury of being depressed every once in

1410
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:06,180
a while

1411
01:01:11,930 --> 01:01:07,200
um

1412
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:11,940
sometimes I I Cry Sometimes if I

1413
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,220
if I get extremely depressed I'll even

1414
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:16,260
watch a sad movie or something like that

1415
01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:18,420
to make myself cry

1416
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,720
so I can get the emotions out I realize

1417
01:01:26,329 --> 01:01:23,819
that the worst thing I can do is keep

1418
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,339
everything bottled up inside if if I

1419
01:01:31,069 --> 01:01:28,799
keep everything bottled up inside it

1420
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:31,079
eats at me and my chest starts or my

1421
01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:32,579
stomach hurts

1422
01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:35,099
and it starts affecting me physically or

1423
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:37,380
I get so upset I can't eat

1424
01:01:41,329 --> 01:01:38,640
so

1425
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,339
I've found that it's it's best for me to

1426
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,920
do something to get the feelings out

1427
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:46,319
I talked to other abductees and other

1428
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:47,940
researchers that has helped me

1429
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:50,520
tremendously knowing that I'm not alone

1430
01:01:55,549 --> 01:01:53,339
in all of this knowing that

1431
01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:55,559
that these things do happen to other

1432
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,380
people that people I've never heard of

1433
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:00,480
before never met before or whose stories

1434
01:02:04,609 --> 01:02:02,220
I've never heard and experienced the

1435
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,619
same things I experience and that's

1436
01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:07,380
confirmation for me and the more

1437
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:09,420
confirmation I get the easier it is for

1438
01:02:16,849 --> 01:02:14,390
um sometimes

1439
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:16,859
I just have to get totally away from the

1440
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:19,980
UFO phenomenon for a while sometimes I

1441
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:22,920
have to escape for a few days where I

1442
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,780
don't talk to any abductees or

1443
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,640
researchers or answer my mail or answer

1444
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,280
my phone and try not to even think about

1445
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:31,920
the UFO phenomenon at all to clear my

1446
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:32,940
head

1447
01:02:39,289 --> 01:02:36,720
helps me to get outside to to get out

1448
01:02:42,670 --> 01:02:39,299
with nature and to ReDiscover what God

1449
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:42,680
created that helps me to cope

1450
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:46,500
sometimes too and I make a point of

1451
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:49,500
doing things that I enjoy

1452
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:53,700
so that I can escape from the front from

1453
01:02:59,630 --> 01:02:56,339
the memories for a while

1454
01:03:04,190 --> 01:02:59,640
a lot of people ask me how I'm able to

1455
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:04,200
cope with this abductive status so well

1456
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:07,140
what they don't know because they don't

1457
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:08,760
see it is that

1458
01:03:14,329 --> 01:03:11,940
I don't always deal with it so well

1459
01:03:15,609 --> 01:03:14,339
there's still so many things that happen

1460
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:15,619
to me

1461
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:18,839
that that I still have trouble coping

1462
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:20,099
with

1463
01:03:34,190 --> 01:03:21,960
and

1464
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:34,200
you know all we can do is just do the

1465
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:36,599
best we can and that's all we can ask of

1466
01:03:42,849 --> 01:03:38,150
ourselves

1467
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,630
many people ask me what my opinion is of

1468
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:50,160
of what's going on here you know what

1469
01:03:56,450 --> 01:03:53,520
what's this phenomenon all about

1470
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:56,460
and of course I don't have the answer to

1471
01:03:59,569 --> 01:03:57,660
that question

1472
01:04:03,289 --> 01:03:59,579
I wish I did

1473
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:03,299
right now based on my own experiences

1474
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:05,819
my own encounters

1475
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:08,819
the telepathic messages I've received

1476
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:12,000
military government harassment

1477
01:04:19,069 --> 01:04:16,740
my opinion at present is that

1478
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:19,079
there's a struggle going on between Good

1479
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:20,240
and Evil

1480
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:23,280
and we're caught up in the middle of it

1481
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:26,880
I've heard so many abductees talk about

1482
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:30,540
their encounters that that sing to have

1483
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,480
a negative slant and others seem to have

1484
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:35,099
a positive slant

1485
01:04:40,730 --> 01:04:38,579
and I I believe that we're caught up in

1486
01:04:44,030 --> 01:04:40,740
a war between

1487
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:44,040
maybe Dark Forces and light forces good

1488
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:48,119
and evil whatever we want to call it

1489
01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:52,260
but until I get further Evidence

1490
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:55,559
that's that's what I tend to believe

1491
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,200
I always like to

1492
01:05:02,089 --> 01:05:00,240
say that the one thing that is very

1493
01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:02,099
important to me

1494
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:06,420
is that everyone keep an open mind

1495
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:07,799
I

1496
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:11,880
subduction phenomenon

1497
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,980
I was a southern baptist certified

1498
01:05:17,809 --> 01:05:16,079
public accountant teaching in a very

1499
01:05:20,589 --> 01:05:17,819
traditional

1500
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:20,599
environment

1501
01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:24,000
I knew nothing about the UFO phenomenon

1502
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:26,099
at that time

1503
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:28,619
and

1504
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,329
a lot

1505
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:37,440
a whole lot

1506
01:05:43,069 --> 01:05:39,660
I've had to expand my reality

1507
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,510
and

1508
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:46,799
I've discovered that

1509
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:49,680
our world is our universe is so much

1510
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:50,819
larger

1511
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,839
than what I had ever imagined it being

1512
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,160
and

1513
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,280
the one thing that I request you know

1514
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:01,680
really doesn't matter to me whether

1515
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:04,500
someone believes me or not